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RANDYL
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Post TWIST
on: December 31, 2012, 14:13

I have been using MGS for the past 3 months now with very good results but I am drawing my irons too much. I have to aim 15-20 yards right even with my short irons. Is the amount of twist the same with the irons as with the driver? Or should I turn less when using the shorter irons? Also, do I use the same amount of tilt?

sacto83
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Post Re: TWIST
on: December 31, 2012, 18:59

Hard to tell without a video. Sounds like you’re coming into impact with a clubface that’s too closed and a swing path that is too far to the right (for a right handed golfer).

The MGS setup with the pre-turn will give you an angle of approach from the inside to square provided you hold your angles.

If you tilt the spine too far forward before making the twist, the resulting swing path can be too much in-to- out and too vertical. As a result, the lead shoulder doesn’t get back to the position near the lead leg at impact. The torso rotation in the downswing is on and axis too much to the right and isn’t completed by the time you strike the ball. Experiment with the forward tilt to find what helps.

Some suggestions:
--With the irons try standing a little taller before you perform the twist.
--Keep the torso rotation (twist) between the feet. In other words don’t twist the torso in a fashion that gets it outside the trail foot.
--The club comes back on an inside path but be careful you don’t take it too far inside. This can result in a swing path that is too far inside-to-out and can get the hands trapped behind you in the downswing.

--Make sure you are not performing just an arm swing in the downswing. Like any good swing the mechanics need to employ the torso and shoulder rotation also in order to get to the proper impact position. If it’s just the arms, you will likely rotate the forearms or hands too much and too soon and automatically close the clubface too much.

--Make sure you are not flipping the clubhead with your hands or wrists near impact. (try and have a flat lead wrist at impact) Also check your grip to make sure it’s not one that closes the clubface too soon before impact.

--For me, with the wedges and short irons I found it better to do less of a twist since the swing path is automatically more verticle with those shorter clubs and I dont' want to get too far inside in the backswing.

Hope this helps.

realgolfer
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Posts: 32
Post For All Full Shots Use The Same Amount of Twist
on: January 1, 2013, 12:53

Excepting specialty shots which require a steeper attack angle or a curve lefty or right, etc. The twist is the same.

If you find your measure to the ball with a good address procedure the amount of forward bend will be determined by the length of your club. I would caution against changing how you stand to the ball from club to club, and instead find a way to measure to the ball the same way each time. This eliminates that part of the equation.

As Sacto said, loosing the angles you set at address can be more difficult with a short iron as there is more forward bend.

It sounds though, like your MGS swing is solid, and I suspect that your club face is clsoing too much for the balance of your clubs with your irons. Again, I would caution against trying to consciously trying to employ shoulder rotation. With a proper MGS set and twist, you will get the rotation you need to have at the appropriate time. Remember, MGS wants you to make no INTENTIONAL/ conscious attempt to rotate, bump the hips, or manipulate the fore arms or wrists as you swing.

I made a video on balancing the club head and ALLOWING the clubface to square. I also made another one that talks about a very precise way to set your measure to the ball EVERY time.

Watch these videos, and see if you are better able to control the curve of your ball by employing these techniques:

Measure to the ball: Arm Hang

And then: Allowing the Club To Square

I can guarantee if you follow the advice in these two videos, you will find you have an uncanny ability to control the curve of your ball. Whats more, you will be doing it without changing your swing biometrics at all - Everybody has a different way that thier arm moves through the impact zone - it's simple anatomy. Also, each club, due to weight, length balance etc will square differently when swung with an arm swing that does not consciously manipulate or rotate while swing.

MGS facilitates a very consistent and repeatable arm swing - based on our body's natural motor neural pathways and bio mechanics that have been in place for a long time. Take advantage of this simplicity by discovering how your club face squares for your swing.

Let us know how you did!

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RANDYL
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Post TWIST
on: December 31, 2012, 14:13

I have been using MGS for the past 3 months now with very good results but I am drawing my irons too much. I have to aim 15-20 yards right even with my short irons. Is the amount of twist the same with the irons as with the driver? Or should I turn less when using the shorter irons? Also, do I use the same amount of tilt?

sacto83
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Posts: 59
Post Re: TWIST
on: December 31, 2012, 18:59

Hard to tell without a video. Sounds like you’re coming into impact with a clubface that’s too closed and a swing path that is too far to the right (for a right handed golfer).

The MGS setup with the pre-turn will give you an angle of approach from the inside to square provided you hold your angles.

If you tilt the spine too far forward before making the twist, the resulting swing path can be too much in-to- out and too vertical. As a result, the lead shoulder doesn’t get back to the position near the lead leg at impact. The torso rotation in the downswing is on and axis too much to the right and isn’t completed by the time you strike the ball. Experiment with the forward tilt to find what helps.

Some suggestions:
--With the irons try standing a little taller before you perform the twist.
--Keep the torso rotation (twist) between the feet. In other words don’t twist the torso in a fashion that gets it outside the trail foot.
--The club comes back on an inside path but be careful you don’t take it too far inside. This can result in a swing path that is too far inside-to-out and can get the hands trapped behind you in the downswing.

--Make sure you are not performing just an arm swing in the downswing. Like any good swing the mechanics need to employ the torso and shoulder rotation also in order to get to the proper impact position. If it’s just the arms, you will likely rotate the forearms or hands too much and too soon and automatically close the clubface too much.

--Make sure you are not flipping the clubhead with your hands or wrists near impact. (try and have a flat lead wrist at impact) Also check your grip to make sure it’s not one that closes the clubface too soon before impact.

--For me, with the wedges and short irons I found it better to do less of a twist since the swing path is automatically more verticle with those shorter clubs and I dont' want to get too far inside in the backswing.

Hope this helps.

realgolfer
Administrator
Posts: 32
Post For All Full Shots Use The Same Amount of Twist
on: January 1, 2013, 12:53

Excepting specialty shots which require a steeper attack angle or a curve lefty or right, etc. The twist is the same.

If you find your measure to the ball with a good address procedure the amount of forward bend will be determined by the length of your club. I would caution against changing how you stand to the ball from club to club, and instead find a way to measure to the ball the same way each time. This eliminates that part of the equation.

As Sacto said, loosing the angles you set at address can be more difficult with a short iron as there is more forward bend.

It sounds though, like your MGS swing is solid, and I suspect that your club face is clsoing too much for the balance of your clubs with your irons. Again, I would caution against trying to consciously trying to employ shoulder rotation. With a proper MGS set and twist, you will get the rotation you need to have at the appropriate time. Remember, MGS wants you to make no INTENTIONAL/ conscious attempt to rotate, bump the hips, or manipulate the fore arms or wrists as you swing.

I made a video on balancing the club head and ALLOWING the clubface to square. I also made another one that talks about a very precise way to set your measure to the ball EVERY time.

Watch these videos, and see if you are better able to control the curve of your ball by employing these techniques:

Measure to the ball: Arm Hang

And then: Allowing the Club To Square

I can guarantee if you follow the advice in these two videos, you will find you have an uncanny ability to control the curve of your ball. Whats more, you will be doing it without changing your swing biometrics at all - Everybody has a different way that thier arm moves through the impact zone - it's simple anatomy. Also, each club, due to weight, length balance etc will square differently when swung with an arm swing that does not consciously manipulate or rotate while swing.

MGS facilitates a very consistent and repeatable arm swing - based on our body's natural motor neural pathways and bio mechanics that have been in place for a long time. Take advantage of this simplicity by discovering how your club face squares for your swing.

Let us know how you did!

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