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malibu427
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on: March 2, 2012, 10:23

First and foremost, I'm really excited about my MGS swing so far. Two issues are presenting some problems for me. On downhill lies, my torso twist seems to be putting too much weight on my back side leaning into the upslope, and I'm hitting fat shots. My other situation is on the shorter clubs with the more upright swing plane , I can mentally feel the gravity drop of my hands and club back into the hitting area. On my drives however, with the flatter plane, I feel that I must initiate the down swing as the plane is too flat for gravity to help. My mental picture is if I rely on gravity with the driver, the club will fall down well behind the ball. Hope this makes sense, and any help is appreciated...

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on: March 2, 2012, 12:02

Quote from malibu427 on March 2, 2012, 10:23
On downhill lies, my torso twist seems to be putting too much weight on my back side leaning into the upslope, and I'm hitting fat shots. On my drives however, with the flatter plane, I feel that I must initiate the down swing as the plane is too flat for gravity to help. My mental picture is if I rely on gravity with the driver, the club will fall down well behind the ball. Hope this makes sense, and any help is appreciated...

[b]Downhill lies

These are the hardest for any swing, and MGS is no exception. As a sales trainer in my day job, I have to teach my agents how to overcome customer objections. One of my trick questions is What is the best way to handle an objection? The answer is TO NEVER GET IT! ;) The point being - do a good job of relating and listening to the customer, make a sincere and pleasant presentation, and you eliminate many objections.

The same thing applies to downhill lies. The best way to handle them is to never get them! This is one of those things we know but don't really know. Try to plan your shots so that you never leave yourself a downhill lie. The pros do this often, choosing to hit a hybrid instead of driver if the hybrid will leave them a level lie. On my home course there is a short par four, about 300 yards downhill...reachable for sure. But from 100 yards in, the hole slopes down into a valley and on both sides...so if you miss left or right just a little bit, you leave yourself an awkward lie. I used to bomb away, and rarely birdied this hole, now I hit to 100 yards and wedge on and almost always have less than 10 feet for my bird.

Okay, but in golf sometimes a downhill lie can't be avoided, so here's a simple game plan. First in your set up, take your normal stance, but play the ball back in you stance some. The conditions of the lie means you will reach the bottom of your arc sooner, that's just the way gravity and physics work, moving the ball back further takes this into consideration. (Take some practice swings and see where your club is bottoming out.)

Next make sure you have your hips and shoulders aligned with the slope of the hill...they should be pointing or tilting along the same angle that the hill is. This will have you feel like your weight is more on your front foot - that is okay.

Third, take one or two less clubs than normal. The slope of the hill will deloft your club, plus you want to make a more controlled swing, and the shorter club will aid in this.

Now, having down the above, just bend over from your hips, address the ball, make your normal MGS twist KEEPING YOUR SHOULDERS TILTED ALONG THE SLOPE OF THE HILL, and make your normal swing.

When you swing, focus on the feeling that your are chasing the club down the hill. Stay down on the shot more so than you normally would feel like you are and just make your normal swing.

Driver

The Driver is lighter, so you can't feel the effects of the drop as much, so to counter that, just lift your lead/left arm higher. And if you need to feel like your are starting your swing, that's okay....in fact Kiran says if you stay in your MGS posture, and don't try to add power with your lower body, hips or shoulders, go ahead and swing as hard as you want. I think her direction to let the downswing happen is to counter what most golfers do and that is to over swing.

I have worked on driver lots this winter and when the weather breaks, will be coming out with a video on it. But for now that should get you there. Remember, even with driver let the club do what it is designed to do. Make a good MGS set up, swing back and through, and you should be fine.

BTW, I have found that a ball position just off the inside edge of my front thigh works best for me, so experiment some with ball position.

Let us all know how the above works...

Kevin

malibu427
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Post Re: Downhill Lies
on: March 2, 2012, 13:11

Thanks Kevin for your expertise...Really appreciate all your efforts ....donation sent..

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Post Re: Downhill Lies
on: March 3, 2012, 01:26

Quote from malibu427 on March 2, 2012, 13:11
Thanks Kevin for your expertise...Really appreciate all your efforts ....donation sent..

Expertise = handle with caution. ;) I just have a way of communicating that which I find real and authentic. Re donation, thanks! Check your email vortex email, I sent you a lil sumthin sumthin

Kevin

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on: March 2, 2012, 10:23

First and foremost, I'm really excited about my MGS swing so far. Two issues are presenting some problems for me. On downhill lies, my torso twist seems to be putting too much weight on my back side leaning into the upslope, and I'm hitting fat shots. My other situation is on the shorter clubs with the more upright swing plane , I can mentally feel the gravity drop of my hands and club back into the hitting area. On my drives however, with the flatter plane, I feel that I must initiate the down swing as the plane is too flat for gravity to help. My mental picture is if I rely on gravity with the driver, the club will fall down well behind the ball. Hope this makes sense, and any help is appreciated...

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Post Re: Downhill Lies
on: March 2, 2012, 12:02

Quote from malibu427 on March 2, 2012, 10:23
On downhill lies, my torso twist seems to be putting too much weight on my back side leaning into the upslope, and I'm hitting fat shots. On my drives however, with the flatter plane, I feel that I must initiate the down swing as the plane is too flat for gravity to help. My mental picture is if I rely on gravity with the driver, the club will fall down well behind the ball. Hope this makes sense, and any help is appreciated...

[b]Downhill lies

These are the hardest for any swing, and MGS is no exception. As a sales trainer in my day job, I have to teach my agents how to overcome customer objections. One of my trick questions is What is the best way to handle an objection? The answer is TO NEVER GET IT! ;) The point being - do a good job of relating and listening to the customer, make a sincere and pleasant presentation, and you eliminate many objections.

The same thing applies to downhill lies. The best way to handle them is to never get them! This is one of those things we know but don't really know. Try to plan your shots so that you never leave yourself a downhill lie. The pros do this often, choosing to hit a hybrid instead of driver if the hybrid will leave them a level lie. On my home course there is a short par four, about 300 yards downhill...reachable for sure. But from 100 yards in, the hole slopes down into a valley and on both sides...so if you miss left or right just a little bit, you leave yourself an awkward lie. I used to bomb away, and rarely birdied this hole, now I hit to 100 yards and wedge on and almost always have less than 10 feet for my bird.

Okay, but in golf sometimes a downhill lie can't be avoided, so here's a simple game plan. First in your set up, take your normal stance, but play the ball back in you stance some. The conditions of the lie means you will reach the bottom of your arc sooner, that's just the way gravity and physics work, moving the ball back further takes this into consideration. (Take some practice swings and see where your club is bottoming out.)

Next make sure you have your hips and shoulders aligned with the slope of the hill...they should be pointing or tilting along the same angle that the hill is. This will have you feel like your weight is more on your front foot - that is okay.

Third, take one or two less clubs than normal. The slope of the hill will deloft your club, plus you want to make a more controlled swing, and the shorter club will aid in this.

Now, having down the above, just bend over from your hips, address the ball, make your normal MGS twist KEEPING YOUR SHOULDERS TILTED ALONG THE SLOPE OF THE HILL, and make your normal swing.

When you swing, focus on the feeling that your are chasing the club down the hill. Stay down on the shot more so than you normally would feel like you are and just make your normal swing.

Driver

The Driver is lighter, so you can't feel the effects of the drop as much, so to counter that, just lift your lead/left arm higher. And if you need to feel like your are starting your swing, that's okay....in fact Kiran says if you stay in your MGS posture, and don't try to add power with your lower body, hips or shoulders, go ahead and swing as hard as you want. I think her direction to let the downswing happen is to counter what most golfers do and that is to over swing.

I have worked on driver lots this winter and when the weather breaks, will be coming out with a video on it. But for now that should get you there. Remember, even with driver let the club do what it is designed to do. Make a good MGS set up, swing back and through, and you should be fine.

BTW, I have found that a ball position just off the inside edge of my front thigh works best for me, so experiment some with ball position.

Let us all know how the above works...

Kevin

malibu427
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Posts: 13
Post Re: Downhill Lies
on: March 2, 2012, 13:11

Thanks Kevin for your expertise...Really appreciate all your efforts ....donation sent..

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Posts: 191
Post Re: Downhill Lies
on: March 3, 2012, 01:26

Quote from malibu427 on March 2, 2012, 13:11
Thanks Kevin for your expertise...Really appreciate all your efforts ....donation sent..

Expertise = handle with caution. ;) I just have a way of communicating that which I find real and authentic. Re donation, thanks! Check your email vortex email, I sent you a lil sumthin sumthin

Kevin

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