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moetion
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Post How much twist ?
on: March 14, 2012, 13:49

When I hit a ball right now and then(which is not usually that bad a push}I feel as if I did not preset my turn enough.
In the preset twist, what muscles should should be feeling resistance. I keep my shoulders and arms really loose. How much resistance should we be feeling in the thighs,hips, core and glutes.

sacto83
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Post Re: How much twist ?
on: March 15, 2012, 03:01

If you short youself on the shoulder turn, or dip the lead shoulder instead of turning it, you get errant shots to the right because the club doesn’t have a chance to get in the “slot” on the DS.

When you do the pre-turn or twist, use the ribcage to make the turn, not just the shoulders. Actually you are turning the spine but are better able to feel the turn if you sense it in the rib cage. This is swinging with the core. As you turn you should feel a slight stretching in the lead lat area, and if you are not performing much of any hip turn, you should feel a resistance in a firm trail leg.
In the pre-turn I’d suggest you don’t do an absolute full shoulder turn. Perhaps 50% to 70% and then let the BS move complete the rest of the shoulder turn as you take the lead arm up. This may give you a little more rhythm to the swing and a better feel for turning the same amount in each BS. In practice, visually check where your hands are at the top so you can remember to get there with each swing. Sometimes it’s just a matter of getting lazy or tired and failing to complete the BS. Happens a lot the more you swing the club.

not right
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Post Re: How much twist ?
on: March 20, 2012, 13:55

I have been twisting my hips back to parallel, while maintaining my shoulder twist. Is that similar to what you are describing ?

sacto83
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Post Re: How much twist ?
on: March 20, 2012, 21:02

Not sure what you mean by "twisting the hips back to parallel." Do you mean in the DS? Perhaps a differenct explanation would help here.

At setup if you pre-turn the hips just slightly, then you turn the shoulders more in the BS, your DS position will have the shoulders turned more than the hips and the hips can lead in the DS. The kinamatic sequence. I'm not doing much of any weight shift when I pre-turn the hips a little. I'm still posting on the lead leg in the DS with no lateral slide.

You can perform the swing as Kiren instructs with no hip turn in the BS swing and just use the lower body to stabalize the upper as it makes the DS. But for me, I just add a little hip turn to keep good balance and so I can lead the DS with the hips as I do in my normal swing. For me its a matter of keeping my timing and having a feeling that I am still unwinding the torso and arms.

moetion
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Post Re: How much twist ?
on: March 21, 2012, 14:50

I played nine holes yesterday and shot a 41. Still very happy with results of the MGS method. No MGS in my chipping technique I just stay down with weight on front foot and accelerate through ball. I am driving the ball great with no loss of distance. With Pitching I do not make a the same amount of preturn or I will pull the ball slightly left. One thing I have noticed my MGS swing does not really produce divots. Comments appreciated

sacto83
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Post Re: How much twist ?
on: March 21, 2012, 19:56

My quess would be the with the pre-turn you are forming a little more of a spine tilt and a little flatter axis of rotation so the DS will a little flatter. It could be you are performing more of a U shaped swing rather than a V shaped one. (you are probably not staying on top of the ball like you did in the old swing. I had the same experience and checked my ball contact with face tape to make sure I was still getting good contact on the proper place on the clubface. It checked out fine and I didn't worry about it. I was still getting good compression of the ball so I didn't make it an issue.

If you are hitting OK I wouldn't worry about it, but if you are losing distance it's probably because the angle of approach is too flat and you should adjust your spine angle a little more forward so you get a little steeper swing plane and angle of approach.

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Post How much twist ?
on: March 14, 2012, 13:49

When I hit a ball right now and then(which is not usually that bad a push}I feel as if I did not preset my turn enough.
In the preset twist, what muscles should should be feeling resistance. I keep my shoulders and arms really loose. How much resistance should we be feeling in the thighs,hips, core and glutes.

sacto83
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Posts: 59
Post Re: How much twist ?
on: March 15, 2012, 03:01

If you short youself on the shoulder turn, or dip the lead shoulder instead of turning it, you get errant shots to the right because the club doesn’t have a chance to get in the “slot” on the DS.

When you do the pre-turn or twist, use the ribcage to make the turn, not just the shoulders. Actually you are turning the spine but are better able to feel the turn if you sense it in the rib cage. This is swinging with the core. As you turn you should feel a slight stretching in the lead lat area, and if you are not performing much of any hip turn, you should feel a resistance in a firm trail leg.
In the pre-turn I’d suggest you don’t do an absolute full shoulder turn. Perhaps 50% to 70% and then let the BS move complete the rest of the shoulder turn as you take the lead arm up. This may give you a little more rhythm to the swing and a better feel for turning the same amount in each BS. In practice, visually check where your hands are at the top so you can remember to get there with each swing. Sometimes it’s just a matter of getting lazy or tired and failing to complete the BS. Happens a lot the more you swing the club.

not right
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Posts: 7
Post Re: How much twist ?
on: March 20, 2012, 13:55

I have been twisting my hips back to parallel, while maintaining my shoulder twist. Is that similar to what you are describing ?

sacto83
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Posts: 59
Post Re: How much twist ?
on: March 20, 2012, 21:02

Not sure what you mean by "twisting the hips back to parallel." Do you mean in the DS? Perhaps a differenct explanation would help here.

At setup if you pre-turn the hips just slightly, then you turn the shoulders more in the BS, your DS position will have the shoulders turned more than the hips and the hips can lead in the DS. The kinamatic sequence. I'm not doing much of any weight shift when I pre-turn the hips a little. I'm still posting on the lead leg in the DS with no lateral slide.

You can perform the swing as Kiren instructs with no hip turn in the BS swing and just use the lower body to stabalize the upper as it makes the DS. But for me, I just add a little hip turn to keep good balance and so I can lead the DS with the hips as I do in my normal swing. For me its a matter of keeping my timing and having a feeling that I am still unwinding the torso and arms.

moetion
Newbie
Posts: 21
Post Re: How much twist ?
on: March 21, 2012, 14:50

I played nine holes yesterday and shot a 41. Still very happy with results of the MGS method. No MGS in my chipping technique I just stay down with weight on front foot and accelerate through ball. I am driving the ball great with no loss of distance. With Pitching I do not make a the same amount of preturn or I will pull the ball slightly left. One thing I have noticed my MGS swing does not really produce divots. Comments appreciated

sacto83
Advanced
Posts: 59
Post Re: How much twist ?
on: March 21, 2012, 19:56

My quess would be the with the pre-turn you are forming a little more of a spine tilt and a little flatter axis of rotation so the DS will a little flatter. It could be you are performing more of a U shaped swing rather than a V shaped one. (you are probably not staying on top of the ball like you did in the old swing. I had the same experience and checked my ball contact with face tape to make sure I was still getting good contact on the proper place on the clubface. It checked out fine and I didn't worry about it. I was still getting good compression of the ball so I didn't make it an issue.

If you are hitting OK I wouldn't worry about it, but if you are losing distance it's probably because the angle of approach is too flat and you should adjust your spine angle a little more forward so you get a little steeper swing plane and angle of approach.

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