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Post Toe Hits and Pushes - for Malibu
on: July 26, 2012, 03:10

Hey, sorry for the slow reply. You asked this in the ebook thread but since it is a swing question, reposted here:

I'm getting a lot of pushes to the right with my driver, and when I move the ball forward to correct this, I find that I have to slide forward to hit the ball, and that is against MGS fundamentals. Also I tend to hit my 3 wood and driver out towards the toe a lot. Any ideas on this, besides the obvious which would be to set up with the ball nearer the hosel ? Thanks, as always for your help....

In another thread I posted this awhile back:

One night I decided to go hit a quick bag. I hit about 6 great shots and they started ...the "laterals". And I mean every one. Couldn't stop em to save my life. I was saved by the long grass. I made a swing and saw my club just barely graze the ball on the toe end! I wasn't hitting the hosel, I was hitting them way out on the toe. You see I was very tired, and was coming out of my mgs set and also losing my spine angle. Once I made a back to basics keep my set and angles everything was fine. So just get back to basics and start with half shots and short clubs.

So the toe hits may just be you coming out of your positions - How good a shape are your hamstrings in?

Regarding the pushes, read Kiran's discussion on it here:

http://kirankanwargolf.wordpress.com/2012/06/07/the-push-shot-is-not-mgs/

The short version of this is. Your pull can become a push.[ What I mean is if you pull back too much with your right arm, you can pull yourself out of a true MGS action, and then not get back around in correct sequence ( late ) and end up pushing.

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Post Re: Toe Hits and Pushes - for Malibu
on: July 27, 2012, 02:54

Try: (1) keeping your back to the target a little longer during the DS, and (2) don't come out of your spine angle during the DS and impact. Raising up too soon near impact can cause toe hits. Also: make sure you are keeping your head in place during the the DS and not sliding laterally. Rotate, don't slide.

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Post A tale of Two Impacts - A push and a beauty
on: July 31, 2012, 02:59

As they say a picture is worth a thousand words:
Image
Image

So what do you see different in the push shot on the left vs the sweet dead solid straight shot on the right?

Kevin

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Post Re: Toe Hits and Pushes - for Malibu
on: July 31, 2012, 11:23

In the swing on the left, the posture is not maintained..."coming up and out of it" as they say. Thanks for the visual, Kevin. Very helpful!!! Thank you Sacto as well for your input. I do notice that in your setup Kevin, you seem to have gone back to a more single axis alignment again. It looks like the club is more than the 5-6 inches away from zipper, and the shaft is in line with your right forearm. Is this a deliberate change? I ,too, have been experimenting with different setups, etc. with MGS. I've had success going back to a Heard super swing, or Simple swing style grip, with the left hand more on top, and more of a single axis set up. It works great with my irons, not so much with the driver....but I've always struggled with the driver anyway. I feel this grip helps me to make a short (to parallel) backswing with lots of power. I plan to send in some video soon. Thanks again....

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Post Gotcha!
on: July 31, 2012, 15:26

I wasnt playing gotcha...but it worked out that way. :| At impact, all golfers are "sa aligned": I will post the address pics up later and you will see that I am not sa aligned.

Your eye is spot on....my pelvis moves toward the target line and I lose my spine angle....look at my belt and the angle it has relative to parallel in the two pics....

More later

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Post Address angles vs Impact angles
on: July 31, 2012, 21:50

Check out these comparisons:

Image

For the address, you can clearly see I am not sa alinged, but I am also not MGS per the instruction of shaft points to the zipper! Video doesn't lie! I drew the line for my spine angle through my ear so it would be easy to reference throughout the swing.

Image

At TOS, on the push shot, we see a problem already....I have raised up ( head above address level ) and my tush has already come off it's set at address..I will have to make a compensation coming down. You see very little change on the shot on the right....very steady and over the ball.

Image

At impact, for the push shot, you can see I come back up out of the shot ( as malibu noted ), as indicated by the white line. This problem as we can now see STARTED AT TOS, WHEN I LOST MY SET. This usually happens when we try and rush things going back. Just stay settled and over the ball as you get to the top, and make sure you just let the lead arm rise with no assist form the trail.

Now the shot on the right is by no means perfect, but it is a big improvement, and as we used to say in the Navy - "Close enough for government work!" ;)

kevin

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Post Re: Toe Hits and Pushes - for Malibu
on: July 31, 2012, 22:25

To coin another Naval phrase...I guess its... "steady as she goes."...LOL... Is it the camera angle Kevin, or am I seeing very minimal MGD twist in your set up? It looks like you are pretty much facing forward in your address, especially in the push shot photo on the left.... and then "turning" back in the back swing. I know you stated recently that you have reduced the pre-twist, but I'm not seeing much in those stills.

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Post Toe Hits and Pushes - for Malibu
on: July 26, 2012, 03:10

Hey, sorry for the slow reply. You asked this in the ebook thread but since it is a swing question, reposted here:

I'm getting a lot of pushes to the right with my driver, and when I move the ball forward to correct this, I find that I have to slide forward to hit the ball, and that is against MGS fundamentals. Also I tend to hit my 3 wood and driver out towards the toe a lot. Any ideas on this, besides the obvious which would be to set up with the ball nearer the hosel ? Thanks, as always for your help....

In another thread I posted this awhile back:

One night I decided to go hit a quick bag. I hit about 6 great shots and they started ...the "laterals". And I mean every one. Couldn't stop em to save my life. I was saved by the long grass. I made a swing and saw my club just barely graze the ball on the toe end! I wasn't hitting the hosel, I was hitting them way out on the toe. You see I was very tired, and was coming out of my mgs set and also losing my spine angle. Once I made a back to basics keep my set and angles everything was fine. So just get back to basics and start with half shots and short clubs.

So the toe hits may just be you coming out of your positions - How good a shape are your hamstrings in?

Regarding the pushes, read Kiran's discussion on it here:

http://kirankanwargolf.wordpress.com/2012/06/07/the-push-shot-is-not-mgs/

The short version of this is. Your pull can become a push.[ What I mean is if you pull back too much with your right arm, you can pull yourself out of a true MGS action, and then not get back around in correct sequence ( late ) and end up pushing.

sacto83
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Post Re: Toe Hits and Pushes - for Malibu
on: July 27, 2012, 02:54

Try: (1) keeping your back to the target a little longer during the DS, and (2) don't come out of your spine angle during the DS and impact. Raising up too soon near impact can cause toe hits. Also: make sure you are keeping your head in place during the the DS and not sliding laterally. Rotate, don't slide.

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Post A tale of Two Impacts - A push and a beauty
on: July 31, 2012, 02:59

As they say a picture is worth a thousand words:
Image
Image

So what do you see different in the push shot on the left vs the sweet dead solid straight shot on the right?

Kevin

malibu427
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Posts: 13
Post Re: Toe Hits and Pushes - for Malibu
on: July 31, 2012, 11:23

In the swing on the left, the posture is not maintained..."coming up and out of it" as they say. Thanks for the visual, Kevin. Very helpful!!! Thank you Sacto as well for your input. I do notice that in your setup Kevin, you seem to have gone back to a more single axis alignment again. It looks like the club is more than the 5-6 inches away from zipper, and the shaft is in line with your right forearm. Is this a deliberate change? I ,too, have been experimenting with different setups, etc. with MGS. I've had success going back to a Heard super swing, or Simple swing style grip, with the left hand more on top, and more of a single axis set up. It works great with my irons, not so much with the driver....but I've always struggled with the driver anyway. I feel this grip helps me to make a short (to parallel) backswing with lots of power. I plan to send in some video soon. Thanks again....

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Post Gotcha!
on: July 31, 2012, 15:26

I wasnt playing gotcha...but it worked out that way. :| At impact, all golfers are "sa aligned": I will post the address pics up later and you will see that I am not sa aligned.

Your eye is spot on....my pelvis moves toward the target line and I lose my spine angle....look at my belt and the angle it has relative to parallel in the two pics....

More later

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Post Address angles vs Impact angles
on: July 31, 2012, 21:50

Check out these comparisons:

Image

For the address, you can clearly see I am not sa alinged, but I am also not MGS per the instruction of shaft points to the zipper! Video doesn't lie! I drew the line for my spine angle through my ear so it would be easy to reference throughout the swing.

Image

At TOS, on the push shot, we see a problem already....I have raised up ( head above address level ) and my tush has already come off it's set at address..I will have to make a compensation coming down. You see very little change on the shot on the right....very steady and over the ball.

Image

At impact, for the push shot, you can see I come back up out of the shot ( as malibu noted ), as indicated by the white line. This problem as we can now see STARTED AT TOS, WHEN I LOST MY SET. This usually happens when we try and rush things going back. Just stay settled and over the ball as you get to the top, and make sure you just let the lead arm rise with no assist form the trail.

Now the shot on the right is by no means perfect, but it is a big improvement, and as we used to say in the Navy - "Close enough for government work!" ;)

kevin

malibu427
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Posts: 13
Post Re: Toe Hits and Pushes - for Malibu
on: July 31, 2012, 22:25

To coin another Naval phrase...I guess its... "steady as she goes."...LOL... Is it the camera angle Kevin, or am I seeing very minimal MGD twist in your set up? It looks like you are pretty much facing forward in your address, especially in the push shot photo on the left.... and then "turning" back in the back swing. I know you stated recently that you have reduced the pre-twist, but I'm not seeing much in those stills.

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