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moetion
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Post A little right.
on: August 31, 2012, 12:11

Very happy with the Mgs swing and Kevins' great instruction! But I now want more. When I miss with my Mgs swing it is usually with a push to the right. My head position when I am in the pre twist set up feels like my eyes and head are lined up right of the target. To get my head and eyes aligned to my target it sometimes fells like my pre twist is not turned enough and is not providing enough torque. I am keeping my Arms , shoulders and hands very loose with the Mc Irishman shake. What section of your lower body are you feeling the the greatest coil and unwinding.

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Post Re: A little right.
on: September 1, 2012, 16:28

Any clubs where it is more prevalent?

moetion
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Post Re: A little right.
on: September 24, 2012, 13:40

As stated before I was going a little right with my MGS swing. I was still scoring OK because of my improved chipping and putting. I did not play or pick up a club for about two weeks and when I did I was now going more right. Went to the range and took my time with my MGS set up and pre- turn and still going right. Finally the eureka moment happened. I had fell into a habit of not toeing the club head up at address. After this slight adjustment I was now striking the ball so much better.
I was concentrating so much on the MGS basics Of pre -turn, raising of the left arm along chest wall and staying in the swing after impact that some basics of all golf swings not mentioned in the MGS swing sometimes get lost and must be fond.

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Post Re: A little right.
on: September 24, 2012, 15:46

I was concentrating so much on the MGS basics Of pre -turn, raising of the left arm along chest wall and staying in the swing after impact that some basics of all golf swings not mentioned in the MGS swing sometimes get lost and must be found.

Wait til you get your hands on my book - I have documented some very interesting things concerning the grip, and the inside takeaway etc. For example, just as a tease, to ensure your lead arm is relaxed AND achieve that "toeing up", just allow the weight of the club to take your lead wrist into full ulnar deviation - then measure to the ball and set your stance from there! Make a practice swing, and then return to address and do the same - Is the club face still square? Watch this video:

moetion
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Post Re: A little right.
on: September 26, 2012, 13:49

I seen a video of your current swing which looks very sweet on another web site where you have made slight changes away from Kirans' instructions. On Kirans' web site there is not one video of MGS golfers who have the have a carbon copy of her swing. They all seem to have the key foundations of her swing but all look very different. What deviations from her instructions did you do and was it done for of a feeling of comfort or better results.

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Post Re: A little right.
on: September 26, 2012, 15:03

If you notice in my current swing and I take my hands a bit higher, I come across the line a bit depending on which grip I am using, but the most important thing is that I now let my lead wrist go into full ulnar deviation at address-this ensures as I say in the video above that my lead arm is relaxed. It also has a shaft pointing higher than the zipper as Kiran has advised. Other than that I just try to sweep the club straight back low and slow until my hands are opposite my trail thigh, and then I just lift them up.

This sweeping back action also creates a bit of stretch or pull in my lats and shoulder and causes a bit more shoulder turn back then she would advise. But in every case I make no attempt to actively turn back or through, and my best swings are still those where I do not try to muscle it but instead let it happen as Kiran advises.

Also she would probably say that my lead arm does not ride steeply enough up the chest wall.

The really interesting thing now is that I can hit pretty good golf shots using a variety of swing styles and methods - the key as you've already noted, is adhering to the MGS basics:

    Feet flat through impact
    Make the twist, keep the twist, right side stays lower than left throughout the swing
    Relaxed left arm, relaxed right shoulder
    Left arm is the radius of the swing
    No conscious attempt to rotate upper body or hips, set or cock the risk, or make a conscious weight shift to the lead side

Others have observed this curious aspect about Kiran's teaching and the many examples of her students-it's funny that none of them do exactly as she teaches, but when we do try to do MGS, we hit the ball much better! that's why I like Sacto's characterization-YOUR MGS.

Is this the swing you are referring to?

not right
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Posts: 7
Post Re: A little right.
on: September 26, 2012, 23:14

A new book :D ,great. Lots of work to do this off season.
Hope some drills similar to your Blueprint/Imprint to build
a repeatable MGS.

sacto83
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Posts: 59
Post Re: A little right.
on: September 27, 2012, 04:26

What I mean by “develop YOUR mgs swing:

It is virtually impossible for a golfer to match perfectly the swing of another golfer (nor should they try to). No two golfers are identical in anatomy, physiology, ability, coordination, mind set, rhythm, tempo, etc., etc. The MGS is not a cookie cutter swing method where every detail must be followed to the letter of instruction in order to match the model. If you are going to use the MGS fundamentals, then use them in a fashion that FITS YOU, not some other golfer.

Kevin has posted a number of different videos showing his journey to what the MGS swing is for him. That fact that some part(s) of his swing may not match Kiren’s teaching perfectly is of no consequence if the swing he developed is working for him. Looking at his swing is there anyone that can say with certainty where, when, and how much he is applying the torques and levers. I’d bet he can’t tell you with a high degree of accuracy because it is an integral part of his biomechanics that is difficult to isolate from the other parts of his mechanics. Even his positions during the swing will vary from yours simple because you are not him. He says in one of his comments: “No conscious attempt to rotate upper body or hips, set or cock the risk, or make a conscious weight shift to the lead side.” That does not mean they don’t happen. If you look at his videos you will see that he rotates the upper body, the hips rotate, there is some downcocking, and certainly there is a weight shift. They may be happening as a consequence of his biometrics rather that an intentional effort to make them happen, but nevertheless they do occur (as they need to in any good swing).

The point is that MGS has some fundamentals that have been laid out by Kiran and Kevin. Use those to experiment and find how much of each is necessary for YOU to perform the MGS swing in a way that is best for YOU. Myself as an example, after months of playing around with the fundamentals I settled on less of a twist, a hand path that was not as far inside, a medium weight shift, and a conscious use of the pivot to drive my downswing. I also have a slight wrist cock in the DS. But that is just me. That doesn’t mean those things are best for you simply because you are not me. BUT, inherent in the fundamentals (which are sound) is a combination that will ultimately fit you. Go back to Part I of the MGS review I wrote and pay attention to the part about why this swing works. If you are having trouble I’d suggest you have one of the common swing faults you have always had that you brought to MGS and can interfere with any golf swing.

Don’t become tied to instruction that gives no latitude for your performance, or biometrics, to deviate from the model. That’s what killed the Single Axis Forum with the persistent emphasis on IMA and Bertholy to the point where no other mechanics were acceptable.

MGS is a good swing method. Use the fundamentals to find how it can best work for you and don't be afraid to modify it if it helps you to do so.

moetion
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Post Re: A little right.
on: September 27, 2012, 14:07

Sound advice!

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Post Re: A little right.
on: October 1, 2012, 13:19

Quote from not right on September 26, 2012, 23:14
A new book :D ,great. Lots of work to do this off season.
Hope some drills similar to your Blueprint/Imprint to build
a repeatable MGS.

Yes absolutely, I'll break it down the same way I did in the Blueprint but since there are no models of pros who swing like this what I am doing instead is taking the ideal pro swing and comparing it to the MGS swing. I will point out the differences, but also highlight how the key absolutes in any good swing are achieved, by using MGS. Then I will include a series of drills that will allow you to progressively acquire the MGS action, just like I did in the Blueprint.

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Post A little right.
on: August 31, 2012, 12:11

Very happy with the Mgs swing and Kevins' great instruction! But I now want more. When I miss with my Mgs swing it is usually with a push to the right. My head position when I am in the pre twist set up feels like my eyes and head are lined up right of the target. To get my head and eyes aligned to my target it sometimes fells like my pre twist is not turned enough and is not providing enough torque. I am keeping my Arms , shoulders and hands very loose with the Mc Irishman shake. What section of your lower body are you feeling the the greatest coil and unwinding.

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Posts: 191
Post Re: A little right.
on: September 1, 2012, 16:28

Any clubs where it is more prevalent?

moetion
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Posts: 21
Post Re: A little right.
on: September 24, 2012, 13:40

As stated before I was going a little right with my MGS swing. I was still scoring OK because of my improved chipping and putting. I did not play or pick up a club for about two weeks and when I did I was now going more right. Went to the range and took my time with my MGS set up and pre- turn and still going right. Finally the eureka moment happened. I had fell into a habit of not toeing the club head up at address. After this slight adjustment I was now striking the ball so much better.
I was concentrating so much on the MGS basics Of pre -turn, raising of the left arm along chest wall and staying in the swing after impact that some basics of all golf swings not mentioned in the MGS swing sometimes get lost and must be fond.

Guest
Pro
Posts: 191
Post Re: A little right.
on: September 24, 2012, 15:46

I was concentrating so much on the MGS basics Of pre -turn, raising of the left arm along chest wall and staying in the swing after impact that some basics of all golf swings not mentioned in the MGS swing sometimes get lost and must be found.

Wait til you get your hands on my book - I have documented some very interesting things concerning the grip, and the inside takeaway etc. For example, just as a tease, to ensure your lead arm is relaxed AND achieve that "toeing up", just allow the weight of the club to take your lead wrist into full ulnar deviation - then measure to the ball and set your stance from there! Make a practice swing, and then return to address and do the same - Is the club face still square? Watch this video:

moetion
Newbie
Posts: 21
Post Re: A little right.
on: September 26, 2012, 13:49

I seen a video of your current swing which looks very sweet on another web site where you have made slight changes away from Kirans' instructions. On Kirans' web site there is not one video of MGS golfers who have the have a carbon copy of her swing. They all seem to have the key foundations of her swing but all look very different. What deviations from her instructions did you do and was it done for of a feeling of comfort or better results.

Guest
Pro
Posts: 191
Post Re: A little right.
on: September 26, 2012, 15:03

If you notice in my current swing and I take my hands a bit higher, I come across the line a bit depending on which grip I am using, but the most important thing is that I now let my lead wrist go into full ulnar deviation at address-this ensures as I say in the video above that my lead arm is relaxed. It also has a shaft pointing higher than the zipper as Kiran has advised. Other than that I just try to sweep the club straight back low and slow until my hands are opposite my trail thigh, and then I just lift them up.

This sweeping back action also creates a bit of stretch or pull in my lats and shoulder and causes a bit more shoulder turn back then she would advise. But in every case I make no attempt to actively turn back or through, and my best swings are still those where I do not try to muscle it but instead let it happen as Kiran advises.

Also she would probably say that my lead arm does not ride steeply enough up the chest wall.

The really interesting thing now is that I can hit pretty good golf shots using a variety of swing styles and methods - the key as you've already noted, is adhering to the MGS basics:

    Feet flat through impact
    Make the twist, keep the twist, right side stays lower than left throughout the swing
    Relaxed left arm, relaxed right shoulder
    Left arm is the radius of the swing
    No conscious attempt to rotate upper body or hips, set or cock the risk, or make a conscious weight shift to the lead side

Others have observed this curious aspect about Kiran's teaching and the many examples of her students-it's funny that none of them do exactly as she teaches, but when we do try to do MGS, we hit the ball much better! that's why I like Sacto's characterization-YOUR MGS.

Is this the swing you are referring to?

not right
Newbie
Posts: 7
Post Re: A little right.
on: September 26, 2012, 23:14

A new book :D ,great. Lots of work to do this off season.
Hope some drills similar to your Blueprint/Imprint to build
a repeatable MGS.

sacto83
Advanced
Posts: 59
Post Re: A little right.
on: September 27, 2012, 04:26

What I mean by “develop YOUR mgs swing:

It is virtually impossible for a golfer to match perfectly the swing of another golfer (nor should they try to). No two golfers are identical in anatomy, physiology, ability, coordination, mind set, rhythm, tempo, etc., etc. The MGS is not a cookie cutter swing method where every detail must be followed to the letter of instruction in order to match the model. If you are going to use the MGS fundamentals, then use them in a fashion that FITS YOU, not some other golfer.

Kevin has posted a number of different videos showing his journey to what the MGS swing is for him. That fact that some part(s) of his swing may not match Kiren’s teaching perfectly is of no consequence if the swing he developed is working for him. Looking at his swing is there anyone that can say with certainty where, when, and how much he is applying the torques and levers. I’d bet he can’t tell you with a high degree of accuracy because it is an integral part of his biomechanics that is difficult to isolate from the other parts of his mechanics. Even his positions during the swing will vary from yours simple because you are not him. He says in one of his comments: “No conscious attempt to rotate upper body or hips, set or cock the risk, or make a conscious weight shift to the lead side.” That does not mean they don’t happen. If you look at his videos you will see that he rotates the upper body, the hips rotate, there is some downcocking, and certainly there is a weight shift. They may be happening as a consequence of his biometrics rather that an intentional effort to make them happen, but nevertheless they do occur (as they need to in any good swing).

The point is that MGS has some fundamentals that have been laid out by Kiran and Kevin. Use those to experiment and find how much of each is necessary for YOU to perform the MGS swing in a way that is best for YOU. Myself as an example, after months of playing around with the fundamentals I settled on less of a twist, a hand path that was not as far inside, a medium weight shift, and a conscious use of the pivot to drive my downswing. I also have a slight wrist cock in the DS. But that is just me. That doesn’t mean those things are best for you simply because you are not me. BUT, inherent in the fundamentals (which are sound) is a combination that will ultimately fit you. Go back to Part I of the MGS review I wrote and pay attention to the part about why this swing works. If you are having trouble I’d suggest you have one of the common swing faults you have always had that you brought to MGS and can interfere with any golf swing.

Don’t become tied to instruction that gives no latitude for your performance, or biometrics, to deviate from the model. That’s what killed the Single Axis Forum with the persistent emphasis on IMA and Bertholy to the point where no other mechanics were acceptable.

MGS is a good swing method. Use the fundamentals to find how it can best work for you and don't be afraid to modify it if it helps you to do so.

moetion
Newbie
Posts: 21
Post Re: A little right.
on: September 27, 2012, 14:07

Sound advice!

Guest
Pro
Posts: 191
Post Re: A little right.
on: October 1, 2012, 13:19

Quote from not right on September 26, 2012, 23:14
A new book :D ,great. Lots of work to do this off season.
Hope some drills similar to your Blueprint/Imprint to build
a repeatable MGS.

Yes absolutely, I'll break it down the same way I did in the Blueprint but since there are no models of pros who swing like this what I am doing instead is taking the ideal pro swing and comparing it to the MGS swing. I will point out the differences, but also highlight how the key absolutes in any good swing are achieved, by using MGS. Then I will include a series of drills that will allow you to progressively acquire the MGS action, just like I did in the Blueprint.

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